Buyers and sellers, bargaining power and recessions, and asymmetric taboos

Think about a model where prices are determined by relative bargaining power. The buyer wants to do the deal, but wants a lower price. The seller wants to do the deal, but wants a higher price. Each threatens to walk away from the deal if the other side refuses to budge on the price. The better his alternative opportunities relative to this deal, and the easier it is to walk away from this deal, the more credible his threat, and the stronger his bargaining power.

You can think of the perfectly competitive model, where prices are determined by demand and supply curves, as just the limiting case of this sort of bargaining model. The demand and supply curves cross at P*. If P is just a fraction above P*, all buyers can find willing sellers, but some sellers can't find willing buyers. So the buyers have bargaining power, because they can credibly walk away from the deal and find another seller who can't find a buyer; and the sellers have no bargaining power, because they can't credibly walk away from the deal and find another buyer who can't find a seller. So the price falls back to P*. Vice versa if P is less than P*.

Now add monetary exchange to the model. All goods are bought and sold for money. Buyers of goods are sellers of money. Sellers of goods are buyers of money.

Start in equilibrium where buyers and sellers have exactly the right relative bargaining power that prices stay the same.

Now suppose something changes, so that people want to hold more money. People want to buy more money and want to sell less money. This reduces the bargaining power of buyers of money and increases the bargaining power of sellers of money. These are the same people of course, because we all both buy and sell money. That's what money is.

In the market for apples, sellers of money (buyers of apples) have more bargaining power; and buyers of money (sellers of apples) have less bargaining power. It is easier for buyers of apples to find willing sellers and harder for sellers of apples to find willing buyers. The quantity of apples traded would fall, because trade requires both a willing buyer and a willing seller who can find each other. If the price of apples eventually fell, the relative bargaining powers of buyers and sellers would eventually fall back to its original equilibrium.

The same would be true in the market for bananas.

The same would be true in the market for labour.

What we call a "recession" is a reduction in the volume of trade, one that is associated with an increase in the bargaining power of sellers of money and a fall in the bargaining power of buyers of money.

So when Paul Krugman says that recessions weaken workers' bargaining power, my response is that he has correctly noted one symptom but has misdiagnosed the disease. It's a partial equilibrium description of a monetary/general equilibrium disease.

It is buyers of money whose bargaining power is weakened. And sellers of money whose bargaining power has strengthened. And all buyers of money are also sellers of money. We are weaker when we try to buy money and stronger when we try to sell money. Just like in Paul's favourite babysitters coop model.

Is labour any different from, say, apples?

Well yes. Labour is different in one very important respect:

Suppose a competing seller of apples offered me a better deal than my current seller of apples. If my current seller refused to cut his price, I would feel free to walk away from the deal and buy apples from the competing seller.

Suppose a competing seller of labour offered me a better deal than my current seller of labour. If my current seller refused to cut his price, would I feel equally free to walk away from the deal and buy labour from the competing seller? Nope.

Suppose a competing buyer of labour offered me a better deal than my current buyer of labour. If my current buyer refused to raise his price, would I feel equally free to walk away from the deal and sell labour to the competing buyer? Yes.

There is a taboo against buyers of labour switching to a competing seller who offers a better deal.

There is no taboo against sellers of labour switching to a competing buyer who offers a better deal.

That asymmetry of taboos strengthens the bargaining power of the seller of labour and weakens the bargaining power of the buyer of labour, ceteris paribus. Because it makes it harder for the buyer of labour to walk away from the deal. So something else needs to adjust to restore equilibrium in relative bargaining power so that ceteris is not paribus. That something else might be unemployment.

Nick's Law of Relative Bargaining Power: any exogenous change in relative bargaining power will cause some change in the market that restores the original level of relative bargaining power. If there is a taboo against employers quitting workers but no taboo against workers quitting employers, and if people fear breaking taboos, then something else will change that re-equilibrates the fear.

Normal people, even economists, don't like talking about taboos. It's taboo to question taboos. Normal people don't even notice anything strange about them. "Of course it's wrong to fire your existing worker and replace him with a lower wage worker! Of course it's right to fire your existing employer and replace him with a higher wage employer!"

Normal people will get mad at me for even talking about this taboo, and calling it a taboo. But normal people are wrong. It's our job, as economists, to be a bit autistic about things like that.

Here's Paul:

"Some people would have you believe that employment relations are just like any other market transaction; workers have something to sell, employers want to buy what they offer, and they simply make a deal. But anyone who has ever held a job in the real world — or, for that matter, seen a Dilbert cartoon — knows that it’s not like that.

The fact is that employment generally involves a power relationship: you have a boss, who tells you what to do, and if you refuse, you may be fired. This doesn’t have to be a bad thing. If employers value their workers, they won’t make unreasonable demands. But it’s not a simple transaction. There’s a country music classic titled “Take This Job and Shove It.” There isn’t and won’t be a song titled “Take This Consumer Durable and Shove It.” "

If you really want to see why employment relations are different from any other market transaction, and if you really want to talk about power relationships, you first have to recognise that asymmetry of taboos. Then you have to ask what effects that asymmetry of taboos will have. Will it create an offsetting asymmetry in the new equilibrium?

Of course there isn't a song titled "Take This Consumer Durable and Shove it". We do that the whole time, when we walk away from one car dealership to get a better price at a second car dealership. There is no taboo against walking away from a seller of cars and buying from another seller instead.

Now, here's the real question: why isn't there a song, sung from the POV of an employer, titled "Take This Worker and Shove him"? That song would be taboo. There is a taboo against walking away from a seller of labour and buying from another seller instead.

70 comments

  1. Kenneth Duda's avatar

    Nice post. A few observations:
    1. I feel like your main contribution here is pointing out a reason why wages are among the stickier of sticky prices, why wages do not fall in response to shocks (instead the labor market doesn’t clear i.e. unemployment). To me, this observation is the key justification for aggregate price level support (monetary and/or fiscal stimulus) during, say, a negative aggregate demand shock due to, say, a sudden jump in the consumer savings rate due to, say, the end of a real estate bubble. Am I barking up the right tree here?
    2 I don’t think you addressed what I regard as the main thrust of Krugman’s article, which was hypothesizing that businesses prefer mild depression over full employment because the business gains from weak labor outweigh the business losses from weak demand. It’s a curious point. I had wondered why the business community didn’t line up behind stimulus support and at first chocked it up to ideology and cluelessness, but then I got surprised by the way corporate profits recovered better than the labor market. Maybe Krugman is onto something.
    3. If you were looking for evidence of the firing-people taboo in action, a certain US presidential candidate tangled with it and lost: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mitt-romney-i-like-being-able-to-fire-people-for-bad-service/
    $0.02
    -Ken
    Kenneth Duda
    Menlo Park, CA
    kjd@duda.org

  2. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Kenneth:
    1. Good point. A very important point. Implicit in my post, but maybe it should have maybe been made explicit. Workers’ threatening to replace employers with other employers can push wages up. Employers’ can’t easily threaten to replace workers with other workers, to push wages down.
    2. That was my previous post.
    3. Good example. If he had said “I like being able to fire employers for bad working conditions” everybody would have nodded in agreement.

  3. Robert McClelland's avatar
    Robert McClelland · · Reply

    “There is a taboo against buyers of labour switching to a competing seller who offers a better deal.”
    So what. It’s clearly a toothless taboo.

  4. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Robert: would you consider boycotting an employer who broke that taboo, by not buying his goods, for example? If so, you are one of the teeth that enforces that taboo.

  5. Frank Restly's avatar
    Frank Restly · · Reply

    Nick,
    “What we call a recession is a reduction in the volume of trade, one that is associated with an increase in the bargaining power of sellers of money and a fall in the bargaining power of buyers of money.”
    What we call a recession is a reduction in the nominal value of trade (usually measured in the medium of exchange). This can occur for a number of reasons:
    1. Bargaining power of sellers of money increases (consumers) and bargaining power of buyers of money decreases (producers) – Demand deficient recession
    2. Bargaining power of sellers of money decreases (consumers) and bargaining power of buyers of money increases (producers) – Supply deficient recession
    3. Bargaining power of both sellers and buyers of money decreases caused by natural catastrophe, war, or any interruption of legal remedies in a market economy.

  6. Danyzn's avatar

    And the toothfulness of the taboo means that even a perfectly selfish and rational employer will observe it.

  7. Lord's avatar

    This doesn’t seem like the only one. If money is non neutral then neither is change in debt. Debt relations are also assymetric.

  8. Wonks Anonymous's avatar
    Wonks Anonymous · · Reply

    I wouldn’t say there’s no taboo against firing your employer. Employee’s often have some notion of loyalty (even if it’s more to their co-workers than boss) that they wouldn’t have for, say, the car-dealer. But I agree it’s asymmetric. “I found someone cheaper” is not considered an acceptable reason to fire, but if even an additional employee at lower wages is taboo that makes the hypothetical a bit moot.

  9. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Danyzn: yep. And if it is also taboo not to make others respect the taboo, the taboo will be powerful even if nobody believes in it. Nobody wants to go first in breaking the taboo.

  10. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Wonks; true. It’s not 100% asymmetric. But employers will still wish them well in their new jobs.

  11. Hunter Pritchett's avatar
    Hunter Pritchett · · Reply

    So you’re argument for why there is unemployment right now is because there is a taboo against firing someone and then hiring someone cheaper, so instead employers just do the firing part and not the hiring part?
    This does not seem to be the taboo to me. To me there are two taboos: 1. reducing someone’s wage 2. paying two people different amounts for the same work. These may work together to yield the same result as a taboo against firing then hiring cheaper, but it is different; it is (drumroll) sticky wages. Nothing new here, move along.
    Also, I think what Krugman is saying is that the “general equilibrium disease” is being borne by labor as shifting power relationships allow them to sell money (buy labor) for even more expensive (even cheaper) amounts then they are suffering in marketplaces where they buy money (sell goods). Your post doesn’t really refute this.

  12. Min's avatar

    “People want to buy more money and want to sell less money. This reduces the bargaining power of buyers of money and increases the bargaining power of sellers of money. These are the same people of course, because we all both buy and sell money.”
    Does not follow. Consider the miser. The miser, sitting on his pile of cash, is a seller of money when people in general want to save. (By inclination, he may be a buyer of money in normal times, which is why he is a miser.) Well, misers these days use banks, preferably offshore banks. So they are not sitting on piles of cash. But they are able to raise money easily to sell to others, if they wish to do so. So are other people besides misers. It is those who are able to raise money easily who are the seller of money and have bargaining power, and those who are not able to raise it easily who are the buyers and do not have much bargaining power. (There is a fuzzy boundary between the two, of course, but it is misleading to say that everybody is a buyer and seller of money.)

  13. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Hunter: “So you’re argument for why there is unemployment right now is because there is a taboo against firing someone and then hiring someone cheaper, so instead employers just do the firing part and not the hiring part?”
    Do you mean right now, in the US? (Since you write “labor”.) Nope. That taboo didn’t suddenly appear in 2007. It’s an excess demand for money what dunnit.
    Do I think that taboo makes unemployment generally higher than it would otherwise be? And makes it so that workers generally have worse options if they had to quit? And makes wages stickier downwards than they otherwise would be? Yes.
    And that you cannot begin to discuss bargaining power in the labour market, and why the labour market is different from other markets, while failing to acknowledge the existence of that taboo? Absolutely yes.
    Would anyone even think of discussing bargaining power between husband and wife without acknowledging any asymmetries in who can divorce whom? (ummm, I expect the answer to that is “yes”!)
    Sure, nothing new here, move along. What taboo?

  14. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Min: you are talking about hoarders of the medium of exchange, not misers who save! Saving is investment, unless it’s hoarding!

  15. Robert McClelland's avatar
    Robert McClelland · · Reply

    Nick: Companies have been moving their operations to areas where labour is cheaper for a long time now. If the taboo had any teeth that wouldn’t be happening.

  16. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Robert: Yes, I think that is one way they get around the taboo. The taboo doesn’t apply to foreigners. And if there were zero costs to getting around the taboo, for all employers, it would indeed be toothless. One employer goes abroad, and a “new” employer reappears offering lower wages.

  17. Too Much Fed's avatar

    “Now suppose something changes, so that people want to hold more money.”
    Let’s make that more realistic. Now suppose something changes, so that people (could be only some people, not all) want to hold more “money”, want to hold more financial assets denominated in “money’, or hold more of both.
    Also, are you assuming the quantity of apples demanded is unlimited?

  18. Too Much Fed's avatar

    Nick said: “Saving is investment, unless it’s hoarding!”
    Are you sure about that one?

  19. nemi's avatar

    Is it correct to say that people want to hold more money in a recession?
    Banks sell access to current resources, or money, and demand claims on future resources, or future money. Sometimes, they simply match buyers and sellers of claims on future resources (people who want to save or borrow money), but sometimes – i.e. when debt levels increase – they are net providers of money.
    Most people and institutions, except banks, has a net debt of money (even if they have positive wealth). I a recession, people generally try to pay down their debt – i.e. decrease the current money supply.

  20. Hunter Pritchett's avatar
    Hunter Pritchett · · Reply

    TL;DR taboos are more likely to constrain employers when the people who are directly affected have a retaliation mechanism.
    Nick: I agree that it is excess demand for money, sorry for omitting it from my question. It is important to be very specific in complex arguments like these. I also agree that sticky wages be bad.
    However, I think your taboo is subsumed in the normal taboos that people have classically said cause sticky wages. My understanding of the cause of sticky wages are that no one is willing to a) take a pay cut nor b) do the same job as someone else at the same company for less money. Under my understanding an employer would not try to replace an employee with a new, cheaper employee because he assumes the new employee will not work very hard and possibly quit after finding out that others doing his same job are being paid more. In your version the employer would not try to replace an employee with a new, cheaper employee because he would fear retribution from other employees and/or customers. I think that assumption is pretty weak. It seems that companies are not afraid of outsourcing their work to poor countries, and hence are not (too) afraid of a customer reaction to replacing employees at lower pay. The coworker retribution channel is more credible, but still weak in my eyes due to problems with coordinated action. There is obviously an exception for unionized industries.
    There are three situations where I think the fire/rehire (yours) and same job, less pay (mine) taboos would differ in outcomes:
    1. If there was only one person in the company doing said job.
    2. As mentioned already, outsourcing to poorer countries (in your scenario the coworkers should be equally angry no matter where the job goes, in my scenario people from poor countries are more likely to understand why they are not being paid as much as someone in the US, and are likely to just be happy to have a job)
    3. A rearrangement of tasks after a job is eliminated so that the new, lower-paid job will not have any current employees in the same role (your theory would suggest some worker backlash, even if a decreased amount, mine would suggest none)
    I think at least for the latter two there is enough outsourcing and restructuring that it seems pretty clear employers are not too scared of coworker backlash. I would have to do more research on the first. It does seem, however, given that sticky wages exist, that employers are afraid of employees quitting after a week or being lazy after finding out that others make more then them, or that they now make less than they used to.

  21. nemi's avatar

    PS: I view a recession as an excess demand for claims on future real resources (given current relative prices). To what extent this translate into changes in the demand for money, other financial assets and/or real resources is a orthogonal, but very policy relevant, question.

  22. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Hunter: good comment. I’m wondering if we aren’t looking at the same thing from different angles. You can break the taboo against wage cuts if you can convince the workers you can’t stay in business otherwise. You can’t break the taboo against wage cuts by convincing workers that other workers will work for less.
    nemi: how would an excess demand for oil futures, stocks, or bonds, cause a recession, unless it also created an excess demand for the medium of exchange.
    Lord: ” Debt relations are also assymetric.”
    Can you explain what you mean by that?

  23. Too Much Fed's avatar

    nemi said: “Is it correct to say that people want to hold more money in a recession?”
    I’d say in a recession people want to hold the highest yielding asset that won’t go down in value or default.
    If I think a recession will cause a mortgage bond to default, I will try to sell it and buy an FDIC-insured CD.

  24. Too Much Fed's avatar

    Comment in spam?

  25. Min's avatar

    Saving is investment, Nick? If I pay off my credit card, am I not saving? Yet I am not investing, am I? Au contraire, I am taking money out of circulation.
    Besides, I broadened my scope beyond misers to include anyone who finds it easy to raise money. 🙂 It’s just that misers are an obvious example. 😉

  26. Min's avatar

    Nick Rowe: “You can’t break the taboo against wage cuts by convincing workers that other workers will work for less.”
    One thing that is happening now is wage cuts via unemployment, as people accept lower paying jobs after being laid off. There are also various propaganda efforts to break the taboo on low wages by characterizing certain workers as overpaid (such as teachers), by characterizing the working classes as undeserving (moochers, takers, the 47%), by characterizing workers as dependents (“No poor man ever gave me a job.”), and by lowering expectations (such as The New Normal).

  27. nemi's avatar

    Nick: an excess demand for future real goods (future consumption of oil and other stuff) implies that you want to sell stuff today in exchange for money/bonds/oil futures etc. that will give you access to resources in the future.
    If my demand shift from apples today to future apples, the price of future apples should increase and the price of present apples should decrease. If the present price of apples is sticky, the price of present apples will not decrease. If everyone wants future apples, and this puts us into a recession, our income and saving will change rather than our ability to pay for future apples – and there is no reason to expect the future price of apples to change either.
    This does not, as far as I can see, chang depending on which instrument I use in order to transfer claims on present resources into claims on future resources – e.g. on whether I use money, bonds, gold etc.

  28. nemi's avatar

    PS: My biggest problem with the “demand for money” terminology is that to a greater extent than any other good, we certainly do know that it is a placeholder for something else – I.e. a demand for liquidity and/or future goods and/or different goods and/or power and/or status and/or etc. etc. etc.
    My second biggest problem is that we do not know what it is. Is e.g. store credit “money”?

  29. nemi's avatar

    Too much Fed: “I’d say in a recession people want to hold the highest yielding asset that won’t go down in value or default.”
    I agree.

  30. Determinant's avatar
    Determinant · · Reply

    Employers’ can’t easily threaten to replace workers with other workers, to push wages down.
    Says who? What do you think all those “contract” workers are for? Their disposable nature partially serves to encourage fully-tenured employees to not get ideas about compensation.
    When you say “firing”, I think you mean layoffs. In Canada for legal reasons involuntary severance without cause is usually called a layoff, even if it’s just one person. And it happens a lot. “The position has been discontinued”. Ring any bells?

  31. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Do I talk about “firing” my apples seller for just cause? Do I talk about “laying off” my apple seller because of circumstances that were no fault of the apple seller? Nope. I don’t talk about it at all. I just do it. I stop buying from him, and maybe buy from someone else instead.
    When a worker quits, he does not distinguish between quitting for just cause (“firing” his employer), or quitting because he really couldn’t keep working there any more, or just felt like it. Out of politeness he might explain his reasons to the employer, but he is not forced to justify his decision.
    All that fine legalistic language just goes to show how powerful the taboo is, and how everyone tippytoes around the subject. “Your position has passed away”

  32. Determinant's avatar
    Determinant · · Reply

    No, Nick. My point is that what you fall “firing” is very, very common, and the taboo isn’t what you think it is. It’s just hidden behind some terminology. There is justification for the difference: A worker laid off without personal cause gets severance; a worker who is fired for cause is not owed any severance. Money is at stake with the use of terminology. However, the parrot is still dead, and you are still unemployed.

  33. Lord's avatar

    Debt is commonly created at a fixed nominal rate for a fixed duration where the borrower may refinance/repay at any time but the lender can only recall the loan under set conditions. Floating rates, variable payback, and prepayment penalties muddy this up slightly but the lender determines when/whether to issue the loan while the borrower decides when/whether to refinance/repay. Current interest rates aren’t fixed but are bounded. More growth, income, and wealth encourage more debt while declines discourage it because of those bounds. When rates fall, risk rises, so it is difficult for a change in rates to fully compensate for a change in borrowing demand. Deleveraging puts downward pressure on asset prices and collateral values, while the the zero bound and risk perceptions prevents rates from falling further.

  34. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Lord: Ah! OK. You mean like open mortgages, where the debtor can quit but the creditor can’t.

  35. Scott Sumner's avatar
    Scott Sumner · · Reply

    One reason I love posts like this is that I believe most really smart macroeconomists look for simple models, and reality is complex. It’s not a question of labor unions or menu costs or money illusion, it’s all of them interacting. And here you’ve added “buyer/seller of labor asymmetry”, which might be even more important than the others. But “more important” might also be a meaningless statement, as they all interact to produce nominal wage stickiness. That and NGDP shocks will get you business cycles.

  36. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Thanks Scott. I think one important thing the asymmetric taboo adds is that wages will tend to be downward sticky but upward flexible. You don’t get that with pure menu costs or money illusion.

  37. Andy Harless's avatar

    Why is there a taboo against switching to a new labor supplier? Because it involves a large cost to the old supplier. And why is there such a large cost? Because there is (normally) unemployment. (By contrast, there aren’t normally a lot of unfilled jobs, except in some particular fields where the supply of qualified workers is low.) I don’t think it’s appropriate to talk about the taboo as if it were exogenous. Maybe taboo+unemployment is an equilibrium, but then you need to explain why we’re almost always in this equilibrium rather than another one.

  38. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Andy: yep. The taboo creates the conditions for its own justification.
    I don’t know why we usually observe this equilibrium and not the other one, without the taboo. Maybe the other equilibrium is unstable?

  39. Determinant's avatar
    Determinant · · Reply

    Come now, Nick, embrace your inner Depressive. All things are not equal, and labour is not a the fruit section at the grocery store. (Apples or pears?).
    Most of the time, things aren’t ideal. Life sucks. It’s taboos, it’s just the way of things.
    This post has been brought to you by my Venlafaxine bottle

  40. Squeeky Wheel's avatar

    This really belongs on your previous article, but they are related so…
    I’m not sure I entirely believe the labor supply curves as usually drawn. Roughly, employers (some of them, and individually) won’t demand more labor just because wages fall. In software, it’s well recognized that low-skill and new-to-company (Brooke’s law) are negative in productivity. Dropping the cost of software engineers does not entice me to hire much more of them – they aren’t fungible. On the other end of the spectrum, a MacD outlet faced with a 50% cut in labor costs does not hire many more front line employees – there’s no work for them. Instead it pockets the increased margin (I think this is PK’s argument). Would the cut in labor costs create a new outlet? Maybe, if there is enough demand…. If so, then efficiency wage curves are not much flatter than labor supply curves – higher yes, but perhaps not much so? And I think I’m also arguing that labor demand is upwards slopping against AD.
    Sorry the argument is not very concise. But maybe you can see where I’m coming from.

  41. Frances Coppola's avatar

    Nick,
    Interesting post. A few thoughts…..
    The “taboo” only applies to workers who are actually employed, and it’s not a taboo so much as a legal restraint. And like all legal restraints, employers find ways round it – often with the connivance of governments, who dare not tackle the privileges of the employed but are happy to encourage casual, temporary and self-employed work, particularly for the young and the poorly skilled. The result can be a dual labour market, such as exists in some Eurozone countries and in Japan. But even when employment legislation is more flexible, as in the UK, employers still evade what employee protection exists – Macdonalds, for example, routinely dismissing workers just before they had completed 1 year’s service so they could not qualify for employment protection or redundancy pay.
    Re sticky wages: I don’t know about Canada, but in the UK wages aren’t nearly as sticky as they used to be. The IFS recently produced a research paper showing that in 2009-11, one third of existing UK employees took nominal pay freezes or cuts rather than lose their jobs. And this doesn’t take into consideration the NON-employed workers whose nominal incomes also fell at that time, especially the self-employed, whose nominal incomes fell off a cliff. The UK famously had higher employment than expected during that time, but coupled with low productivity and a huge output gap. Wage flexibility perhaps has unexpected costs.
    The IFS paper is here. http://www.ifs.org.uk/wps/wp201311.pdf. It’s an interesting read, though they don’t consider the effect of in-work benefits – if employees know that government will top up their wages they would be more likely to accept nominal wage cuts, I think.

  42. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Determinant: “Most of the time, things aren’t ideal. Life sucks. It’s taboos, it’s just the way of things.”
    Agreed. Except a lot of taboos are good taboos. And it’s funny how taboos can suddenly change, and we look back on the old taboos, and find it amazing we could ever have thought the way we did. Sex, race, eugenics, alcohol, smoking, men wearing hats indoors. And when we look back on today, we will also find it amazing that some things were, and other things weren’t, taboo. But I sense that the asymmetric taboo I’m talking about here is an older taboo than most. It has waxed and waned over the decades. For Russian serfs it was symmetric(?), and for chattel slaves asymmetric the other way(?). Hockey players?
    Squeeky: If the aggregate demand for goods is there, I tend to think of the aggregate labour demand curve as being highly elastic, except in an agricultural economy where land is in fixed supply and scarce. You can always import more capital.
    Frances: thanks! Yep, the laws tend to follow the taboos, and vice versa. We do see employers getting around the taboo, and managing to employ labour in ways that avoid the taboo. But the very fact that we make a distinction between “regular” jobs and “temporary contract” jobs, and that the former are seen as good jobs and the latter as bad jobs, suggests to me that the shadow price of the taboo is large. If the taboo had no teeth, workers would not prefer jobs that are covered by the taboo.

  43. Ronald Calitri's avatar
    Ronald Calitri · · Reply

    Good point in labor markets; but needs perhaps, bifurcation.
    There is, after all, a “zero lower bound” to labor, pre and post-slavery economists have argued (Smith and Ricardo) ‘survival’ is a constraint on the demand curve, a form of “price control” imposed from outside. Though it is taboo to pay starvation wages, forget about taboos, every employer’s true pride is paying costs of reproduction and no more.
    However, and this point needs to be made most strongly, though the minimum wage worker is powerless to resist, paying to launder the company shirt, and while the government will step in, if called upon, to enforce the legal taboo, in the real economy, informal transactions are hugely important.
    There, the rules of Aristotle, “towards things inanimate there is neither Friendship nor Justice: nor even towards a horse or an ox, or a slave quâ slave, because there is nothing in common: a slave as such is an animate tool, a tool an inanimate slave. Quâ slave, then, there is no Friendship towards him, only quâ man: for it is thought that there is some principle of Justice between every man, and every other who can share in law and be a party to an agreement; and so somewhat of Friendship, in so far as he is man.”
    Since the “taboo” is in “Nichomachean Ethics,” it is probably real, but not really a taboo, more of a norm. However, I don’t think, in either of our societies, it is followed. A lot of employers so many tiny employers, stop at the first “qua,” and even more with the second. Employees are exchangeable tools, that’s the real economy, for the most part. Few indeed survive the full qua.

  44. Frances Coppola's avatar

    Nick,
    I think we are back to the price of safety again, aren’t we? Your “taboo” is effectively a very valuable safe asset. It used to be that very safe jobs – in the civil service, for example – had relatively lower pay than other jobs, precisely because of that safety aspect. But I think we are now mispricing this “safety” asset, just as we are mispricing the “safety” asset implicitly embedded in government debt, insured bank accounts and agency MBS. Consequently although we regard safe jobs as “good” jobs, we aren’t paid more for doing less safe jobs. In fact many people are paid less. These days, the most insecure workers tend to have the lowest incomes. It looks as if safety is no longer regarded as valuable, but I don’t think that’s true. I think the problem is that it is far too valuable, so employers are restricting its availability rather than paying those with insecure jobs the value of the safety they have foregone (if that makes sense).
    The asymmetry you describe could be regarded as the sellers of labour having an implied call option on the “safety asset” in a “good job”. The employer can’t dismiss them without incurring a considerable cost, namely the exercise of that call option, which might be felt as exorbitant payoffs and/or lawsuits, with associated reputational damage (unquantified and potentially unlimited). But if the employee leaves, the call option expires unexercised.
    From the employee’s point of view, that call option is an extremely valuable asset. But from the employer’s point of view it is a potentially very expensive contingent liability. So employers try to find ways of reducing the asymmetry by “locking in” employees – perhaps by creating equivalent contingent assets on the employee’s side, for example by paying part of their remuneration in deferred bonuses, company shares or stock options (!). Or they simply pay them more to encourage them to stay – which might explain why “safe” jobs tend perversely to be more highly paid than insecure ones. Or they reduce the value of the call option, or eliminate it completely, by diluting the “employed” status of the worker. This last is becoming increasingly frequent, particularly for the young and the less skilled – probably, as the IFS says, because they have the least bargaining power.
    The question is, why are people prepared to forego safety without reward for the extra risk they take on? This was the question that the IFS was asking, though they didn’t put it like that. I think we are looking at two asymmetries, actually: the asymmetry that you have noticed (workers can leave but employers can’t dismiss), and another one – namely, the (considerably) greater power of buyers of labour when there is both a real risk of unemployment AND a stigma associated with unemployment (the more spells of unemployment you have, the harder it is to find work). The threat of unemployment is an extremely valuable negative asset on which employers have a put option. I’m sure you can see where this is going. The value of that negative asset is inversely related to the employability of the worker. For those with little experience and/or poor skills, the threat of that option being exercised is sufficient to encourage them to accept both rubbish wages and complete insecurity. Of course the employer can exercise the option at any time at his discretion, but there is at least a delay in the exercise of that option, which creates the temporary illusion of security. For the not-very-employable, the fear of unemployment is very real.
    Sorry about this long and rambling comment. This has gone a very long way from your sticky wages discussion. And I’m probably talking nonsense. But it’s interesting.

  45. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Ronald: I reckon that for 99% of our existence, until a couple of hundred years ago in rich countries, the Malthusian model worked pretty well. The population was close to the margin of subsistence. And I wonder how much that would have influenced norms about what employers owed employees.
    Frances C: you are talking a lot of sense!
    The two asymmetries: the taboo asymmetry I’m talking about; and the cost of being unemployed. Which came first? (Chicken or egg?) That’s what Andy and I were discussing briefly above. We can imagine two equilibria:
    1. No taboo and no unemployment. You don’t need the taboo because any worker who loses his job can quickly find another one just as good. And because there’s no taboo, wages aren’t sticky down, so there is no unemployment.
    2. Taboo and unemployment. You need the taboo because there’s unemployment, and there’s unemployment because there’s the taboo.
    Andy wonders why we normally only observe the second equilibrium. Maybe the first is unstable??

  46. Mrrunangun's avatar
    Mrrunangun · · Reply

    As an employer, I competed for good employees with larger better capitalized businesses which could offer better pay and benefits. My approach to the competitive aspect was to find good people ( able, cooperative, pleasant, and punctual), treat them well, and make my shop a pleasant place to work. I could be more flexible than large employers about working from home or drug testing, significant advantages in employing contemporary working class individuals. This approach meant that I could not tolerate an employee who made my shop an unpleasant place to work for the others for long. If a good employee burned out on a job, I offered an alternative job in my shop whenever possible. I believe that most sensible small employers do HR along these lines.
    That means that times of high unemployment give you a better grade of employee and you try to keep them on as long as you can. In times of low unemployment you have more turnover, as a greater fraction of hires will fail to fit the needs of the shop. It means that you let the single mom work from home when her kid is sick and if you have someone who indulges alternative life styles or unorthodox pleasures on his own time, you don’t care as long as it does not affect his work or his ability to make the shop a good place to work. When you live in a small city you see your employees at church, the grocery, school events, etc. You may be more strongly bound by our host’s taboo than someone who lives in a wealthy suburb and never sees her employees outside of work.

  47. Kaleberg's avatar

    “There is a taboo against buyers of labour switching to a competing seller who offers a better deal.”
    Maybe back in 1965, but not since, maybe, 1972. Of course, I’m referring to this planet, not one of those exoplanets that astronomers and economists are so fond of.

  48. Philippe's avatar

    Nick,
    there isn’t really an asymmetry of taboos, there’s just a general ‘taboo’ against harming people, treating people badly, exploiting people, etc.
    People will object to companies firing workers so as to replace them with cheaper workers, if they think this involves harming people, treating people badly, or exploiting people.
    They won’t object to people quitting their job for higher pay if they think this doesn’t involve harming people, treating people badly, or exploiting people.
    The reason people tend to see one as being worse than the other is because they consider one to be more harmful than the other. It’s not because of some sort of irrational ‘asymmetric taboo’.

  49. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Which of these two stories sounds more plausible:
    1. A worker quits to get a higher paying job, and his employer wishes him well with his new employer.
    2. An employer lays off a worker to replace him with another who will work for less, and the worker wishes him well with his new employee.

  50. Nick Rowe's avatar

    Philippe:
    If you quit, and your boss has to replace you with a worse employee at a higher wage, does this not hurt him? Of course it does. And, you will say, it serves him right for paying you too little.
    If your boss quits you, and you have to replace your boss with a worse boss at a lower wage, does this not hurt you? Of course it does. But would you say, it serves you right for being paid too much?

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